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There's word about a new Lone Ranger movie being in the works. The folks on rec.arts.tv pretty quickly concluded that this will be a disaster, and while I agree with the conclusion, I don't agree with the reasoning. See, the main reasoning is that the Lone Ranger premise is too corny and dated to play these days, with a side note that Tonto would set off tedious and unenlightening hissy fits over The Dread Peril of Political Correctness. I don't profess to be a Lone Ranger expert, but I do think the basic schtick for the character is a viable one even for modern audiences.

The backstory, as it more or less settled down after a few retcons: Reid is one of six Texas Rangers -- his brother leads the group -- pursuing the Cavendish gang, and the group is betrayed by one of their scouts, who was working for the Cavendishes, and the six are shot, left for dead. Reid is only mortally wounded, however, and (as the story shook out) Tonto rescues Reid and nurses him back to health. Tonto also buries the five dead Rangers, plus a further fake grave, so that the Cavendishes reasonably conclude he's dead as well. And so Reid goes on to pursue justice as the Lone (surviving) Ranger.

Other details follow from this: the silver for the bullets comes from the mine which he and his brother owned, and he takes just enough for his bullets. Why the silver bullets? Well, for the coolness factor, yes, but also in order to emphasize that human life is not cheap and if you're going to shoot someone it's going to cost you too. And the Lone Ranger also developed a bit in which while he would wear costumes, he would not lie, which could produce amusing scenes where he tries with Vulcan-like precision to not exactly claim to be the train engineer or something like that.

Now, what about this is any less plausible or psychologically modern than Batman is? And touches like never-lying and the silver bullet add to the coolness (particularly in how the silver bullet acts as refutation to the Western life-is-cheap stereotype and cliche). There's plenty of material for interesting stories there, even to modern jaded audiences.

I don't much care for the old-time radio serial, which was after all aimed at kids, and which suffers from having been an extremely popular serial. See, at its peak The Lone Ranger ran for about 18 hours per day, every day, and they just had to slow the plot way down so the poor writer didn't die of exhaustion. So they would drag about four minutes of story out to about an hour of radio time, what with the narrator explaining the story, the Lone Ranger explaining the story to the prospector or shopkeeper or whoever the grizzled pal this episode is, the grizzled shopkeeping prospector explaining the story to the squeaky-voiced kids, and the villain explaining the story to his sidekick, then Tonto explaining the story to the prospective shopkeeping grizzler, then the squeaky-voiced kid explaining the story to the Lone Ranger, who agrees that everyone understands what's going on now, and we can pause to hear The William Tell Overture, in full, before the narrator reminds us of the story so far. However, this is a side effect of the series being, at its peak, an endless gaping void in need of any content to fill it. In a modern movie there's theoretically a clearly defined point at which this stops, so the expository overload should not be a bother.

What I think is going to doom it is that it's to be produced by Jerry Bruckheimer Films. The writers are supposed to be the ones who did Pirates of the Caribbean, at least some part of it. While I liked the first movie more or less it was also pretty much two semi-compatible movies coexisting and running just a wee bit long in the sense of lasting longer than the War of Jenkins' Ear did. The sequels, I don't know, because the airplane attempts to show them always went wrong by one or more of those curious little airplane movie glitches. Perhaps it's not fair to hold that against projections of their future work, but, believe me, I would be delighted to be completely wrong in foreseeing a big sloppy mess created in a new Lone Ranger movie.

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Date: 2008-05-12 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xolo.livejournal.com
I'll prolly go. The Lone Ranger was always a favourite, precisely because he *is* so unbendingly moral. I intended to see the previous movie too, back in the late 80s, but ended up skipping that because of the shabby way they treated Clayton Moore. Cut-throat business practices simply don't go together with telling the story of the Lone Ranger.

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Date: 2008-05-12 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com

I haven't seen that movie, although it really never stood a chance of succeeding what with it being made around 1980, when the only person who would allow joy to creep into a movie was George Lucas. But the abuse of Clayton Moore was so obviously guaranteed to rebound nastily on the producers that it's hard to not wonder if the entire project wasn't a Producers-style scam and they had to make sure even the people in the movie wouldn't go to see it.

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Date: 2008-05-12 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nsingman.livejournal.com
I'm embarrassed to admit that I wasn't as familiar with all of the Lone Ranger's background. Interesting stuff!

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Date: 2008-05-13 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com

That's an odd thing to be embarrassed about, but, I'm glad that I could help anyway.

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Date: 2008-05-13 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xolo.livejournal.com
Completely OT, but please make a point of watching the baseball highlights tonight. The Indians did something remarkable. :)

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Date: 2008-05-13 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com

And you're right, that is remarkable. Who'd have thought the Indians would be up to anything remarkable these days?

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Date: 2008-05-13 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] captpackrat.livejournal.com
Making a Lone Ranger movie without Clayton Moore is like making a Get Smart movie without Don Adams.

Oh wait, they are.

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Date: 2008-05-13 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com

Well, you know, even with the best of intentions they couldn't do otherwise, at least with the current state of policies against the employment of zombies in major movies.

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Date: 2008-05-13 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] captpackrat.livejournal.com
From the previews I've seen so far of Get Smart, zombies would be a major improvement.

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Date: 2008-05-14 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com

Actually, I like how the previews are looking. I'm reasonably optimistic about how it'll turn out.

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Date: 2008-05-13 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orv.livejournal.com
The sequels to Pirates... were, in my opinion, not very good. They apparently forgot that what made the first movie fun was the action and Johnny Depp's mugging for the camera. Instead of just giving us more of that, they came up with an impenetrably complicated plot, which played out mainly in tedious scenes with very dark lighting.

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Date: 2008-05-14 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com

Yeah, see, I really liked the part in the first movie that was a relentlessly complicated set of clever escapes by Depp. The ghost pirates stuff I could have dropped happily and got the movie in on a reasonable schedule. From what I gather the follow-up movies went way too far into the ghost stuff.

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Date: 2008-05-14 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orv.livejournal.com
Pretty much.

Someone suggested to me it would have been better if they'd done a prequel about the origins of Jack Sparrow. I tend to agree that would have made a better story.

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Date: 2008-05-15 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com

Mm. Yeah, I could see that. You have to suppose he was interesting as an underling, for example.

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Date: 2008-05-14 06:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bunny-hugger.livejournal.com
I didn't know all that about the Lone Ranger. The silver bullets thing is very cool. The honesty thing... well, I believe very strongly in honesty and so in a way I really like that. But it does seem to fall victim to what I regard as a mistake -- the idea that "lying" refers to saying something false. But I think that falsehoods are neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for lying. I think that if your intention is to deceive, it's lying, even if each of your statements is true.

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Date: 2008-05-15 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com

I agree that lying and falsehoods aren't the same thing. But refusing to state falsehoods is at least an approximation that's dramatically very useful.

I wonder what a Lone Ranger who didn't make such hair-splitting distinctions would be like. ``Are you the engineer of this train?'' ``No, I'm The Lone Ranger, and I'm waiting only for the chance to arrest your entire gang.'' Probably at least a few times that would be taken to be a lie, but you have to suppose some gang would figure it's not worth taking the chance.

Still, that is an interesting idea, put that directly.

Can't wait to get involved

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