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For Sunday we hoped to go up to Manhattan, take in a carousel, enjoy the store windows, and meet up with the hippest guy in Brooklyn, [livejournal.com profile] bunny_hugger's brother, whom we hadn't seen since the day after Christmas. We slept in a little, trusting we could get a late lunch with him, and I overspent on the park-and-ride. I thought I'd entered the wrong code because the receipt was for a different parking space, but that was a previous person's uncollected receipt. They weren't printing new ones. On the way up her brother called and suggested we have dinner instead, which was fine by us, particularly since it was the windiest day in the history of ever and our bus, struggling against the wind, was actually making about twelve miles per hour in the direction of Philadelphia. It took us to about Thursday to actually arrive at the Port Authority.

To find a light lunch we set out for Bryant Park, where there's the adorable tiny carousel and, in the winter, a complex of little shops. The one at the northeast corner of all this, as last year, was selling Turkish teas and this sort of pastry-ish bread with. We'd been there last year; [livejournal.com profile] bunny_hugger was talked out of getting the same fillings as last time --- I want to say of spinach and feta --- to some vegan option. We sat down and ate really warm food and had hot tea in a cold, cold day, which is a really wonderful feeling that evokes thoughts of Peter Falk in a movie I haven't yet seen.

We got a ride on the carousel, on a rather packed day --- often we're alone or nearly alone on these things --- so neither of us could get the rabbit, but we did note the carousel's sign dating it to ``Circa 2002'' is either an affectation or evidence that people don't know what the word ``circa'' means. Also that I'm the last person on earth to recall Lasnerian dating.

We were chilly and a bit tired after this so took one of my father's suggestions (``how is it you've never taken her to the Public Library?'') to go to the New York Public Library. We figured we'd at least look at the books, which are harder to get to than you might imagine; there's about fourteen lobbies to go through, all of them grand of course but also a bit distracting if all you're looking for is shelves. We got distracted first with the gift shop and then with one of the rotating exhibits.

Its subject was lunch in New York, with the faint (although as I understand it not unjustified) emphasis on the idea of Lunch as we know it being a New York City creation. It noted, for example, the original meaning of ``lunch'' was any food (eaten any time, though often on the run) which could be fit in the hand, something which made me realize there isn't really a punchy word for ``a handful of food to be eaten at once''. (A ``handful'' by itself can be anything.) But as the city grew bigger and people couldn't get home to dine they'd grab a quick-lunch for the noontime meal and there you go. They had exhibits of various things New Yorkers have eaten from, including wooden oyster carts, dirty-water hot dog carts, pizza-by-the-slice, and even a sushi menu from the 1930s.

Startling about the 1930s sushi menu was not just that it was a sushi menu from the 1930s, nor that quite a bit of it could still be gotten from a sushi place today, but that the name of the place was Yoshino Ya. I quite enjoyed the Yoshinoya restaurants in Singapore, and knew they were an old Japanese restaurant chain even then. They'd had a Manhattan presence up to a couple years ago --- they seem to be missing now --- but ... well, either they had a 1930s presence and retreated and re-emerged, or else the term ``Yoshino Ya'' means something that makes sense for a Japanese restaurant to give itself. [livejournal.com profile] bunny_hugger's brother would speculate later in the day that it could easily be the same restaurant, since if they got some land in Manhattan, and were able to hold onto it a few years, they'd be locked into the self-sustaining cycle of being able to stick around because either nobody could afford to buy them out or because when they did get bought out it'd be just enough to buy someplace in a less expensive part of town, in an endless repeating cycle. The last place I saw Yoshinoya was in the Times Square area, so ... maybe.

But the centerpiece of the attraction, from our perspective, was the Automat: several displays and even two walls showing off the little doors. One you could even go around back to see the kitchen side of things. They were soaked in nostalgic commentary in posters and from elder New Yorkers looking at the stuff and remarking how only in New York would you get (some really very New York Jewish dish) from a slot like that. They probably could have done nothing but an Automat re-creation and people would have been satisfied. They had cards with a couple of the Horn and Hardart recipes, which I grabbed for my father, although they were dull recipes, stuff like peas and carrots. He was delighted by them anyway.

The exhibition mentioned that Automats found that having a back, and rotating a column of dispensers to put food in, served several useful features. For one, it helped preserve the illusion that the food had been created without any intrusion from any human bodies whatsoever. For another, it allowed the company to employ non-white-males to do the cooking and food deliveries without the customers getting worried that someone was going to black menstruate all over their steamed carrots. (I don't mean to mock the Automat people for using an aluminum shield to employ undesirables; I mean to mock the social attitudes that leave people marked undesirable.)

We did finally finish the exhibit, and went upstairs where we indeed found a reading room and verified the New York Public Library has got some books in there, somewhere.

From there we ventured north, to Rockefeller Center, where we were able to see not just the tree but every person in the world in the plaza there. We haven't seen it that packed before. We realized this was our first time visiting on a Sunday, and we think our first time visiting the tree before New Year's, so maybe those were contributing factors. Somehow we managed to get through the mob, and a lot of roped-off areas with signs and guards that allow ``Exit Only'', leaving me unsure where all these people were coming from. Possibly there's a cloning machine somewhere near the statue of Prometheus.

Faced with that madness we ducked into the NBC Store, where no, you can't buy the cute little set of chimes to do your own network tones anymore. But you can buy merchandised license for Friends, which NBC last aired in 2004; Seinfeld (1998), Star Trek (1974), and Doctor Who (never). They do also sell stuff for some of their current programming, like Revolution and some nicely understated things for Community (I do have a Greendale Community College coffee mug, which meets my need for being something useful, although I haven't actually used it for want of places to travel with such a drink). Also, they sell peacock slippers, which are just … oh, I don't know whether I want them ironically or not, but they probably don't come in sizes big enough for me.

(How is it the other networks did not hit on the idea of a mascot character who could be licensed? Is Disney somehow unaware of the potential of licensed merchandise for one of its corporate subsidiaries?)

We thought to get something to drink but realized it was awfully close to our rendezvous time with [livejournal.com profile] bunny_hugger's brother, so we hurried off in search of a B train instead.

Trivia: New York City's tallest office tower in 1890 was eleven storeys tall. Source: Satan's Circus: Murder, Vice, Police Corruption, And New York's Trial Of the Century, Mike Dash.

Currently Reading: Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human, Richard Wrangham. Very interesting anthropological book, though I did not realize when I set it on my wish list that it was advancing a novel theory rather than passing on the present generally accepted ideas. So I'm not sure how much of it is interesting because it's stuff I didn't know but would if I were an anthropology fan and how much is interesting because if you held the book up at an anthropology convention you could get into an exciting fistfight.

PS: 2012 in Review, just the statistics WordPress was happy to give about my writings of 2012.

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Date: 2013-01-08 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xolo.livejournal.com
The envy is upon me!

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Date: 2013-01-08 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
Knew you would be. We even thought about it while we were looking at the stuff.

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Date: 2013-01-08 08:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-eagle.livejournal.com
I got lost!

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Date: 2013-01-08 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
We avoided getting lost, but just by consistently making right turns until we found the Minotaur.

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Date: 2013-01-08 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xolo.livejournal.com
either [Yoshinoya] had a 1930s presence and retreated and re-emerged, or else the term ``Yoshino Ya'' means something that makes sense for a Japanese restaurant to give itself.


Per the website (http://www.yoshinoyaamerica.com/history.php), the first Yoshinoya opened in America in 1977, although they were founded in 1899. Apparently the names means "Yoshino House" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshinoya), with Yoshino being where the founder was from.

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Date: 2013-01-08 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
Hm. Well, corporate history web sites can be flawed --- if they did flutter into a New York City outlet in the 30s and see it close soon after, I wouldn't be at all surprised if nobody writing the site knew anything about it. (Compare the Ford Motor Company's attempts to colonize Brazil.) But it could also be an immigrant figuring the name to use was one that was already familiar from home. It'd take some actual research beyond my current resources to track down, but I am interested.

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Date: 2013-01-08 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] porsupah.livejournal.com
Surely, somewhere in all of New York, there must be a working, fully functional Automat. If anywhere in the US, somehow, it seems it'd have to be NYC.

Were you able to take any photos? (In particular, the sushi menu) It's always rather saddening to me when museums (or indeed, anywhere) tries to forbid photography - rather a futile exercise anyway, these days, with phone cameras becoming highly capable in their own right - as it's stepping on one's ability to share memories beyond relating them.

I feel the B train ought to be propelled down its tunnels by stubby wings flapping furiously, invisibly rapidly. Perhaps.. they are?

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Date: 2013-01-08 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neowolf2.livejournal.com
The last Horn & Hardart Automat in NY City was closed in 1991. Most were converted to Burger Kings.

Aside: PDQ Bach wrote a concerto for horn and hardart (the latter being a large glass and metal instrument that also dispensed pies.)

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Date: 2013-01-08 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
They also got converted to that two-headed monster on Sesame Street! Which I never knew had a name when I was a kid.

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Date: 2013-01-08 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
The last Automat, as [livejournal.com profile] neowolf2 notes, closed in 1991. There've been a couple attempts to do nostalgic remakes, but they haven't lasted long. The problem, it seems to me, is that the Automat doesn't fill any market niche but nostalgia.

If you want a place to sit down and eat a quickly-prepared meal, that's what Burger King is for --- and Burger King (or any other fast food place) will make your meal fresh and to order. The Automat by design won't make the meal fresh (though it won't sit around forever either) and never ``to order''.

If you don't care about having something fresh or to order, that's what the bagel'wiches and pizza bites and other premade stuff at 7-Eleven is for --- and they'll also sell you lottery tickets, the newspaper, flu tablets, and prepaid phone cards. So, what can the Automat give that Burger King and 7-Eleven can't?

We didn't take any photos, per the library's request. The menus and such are part of their collection, after all (they explain how the collection started, and it's amusingly incidental, almost whimsical, and a triumph for the ``well, somebody might be interested someday'' school of curating), and flash photography will damage things that were not designed to last at all.

Perhaps that is what the B train does. We didn't see any this time around.

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Date: 2013-01-08 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xolo.livejournal.com
Yet they hang on in Europe, and seem to serve a market there.

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Date: 2013-01-09 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
I think, without having looked too hard at it, that European convenience stores serve enough fewer finished foods (particularly hot ones), and have enough fewer fast food places, that the niche is still there.

I can't make a statistically strong case for this, but can say from experience that Singapore --- with no end of might-as-well-be-a-meal stuff to get from 7-Eleven or from dozens of stalls in every hawker center, didn't have anything Automat-like as best I could find.

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Date: 2013-01-09 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chefmongoose.livejournal.com
Apparently this was the last try at an NYC Automat, and it lasted about two and a half years: http://www.bamnfood.com/menu.html

I agree, the Automat got outmoded once fast food restaurants rose on the scene; and once we got past the 30's-60's heyday of Machine-Enabled Modern Living Through Chemical Science Untouched By Human Hands phase with food, and instead applied it to gas stations and banking.

Automats won't come back because you need all the food preparation of a Fast Food Restaurant, but then you have to have enough One-dollar bills or an entirely credit-card driven system, which really isn't going to out-process a few cashiers. Vending Machines suffice for unattended delivery of snacks and beverages. And internet-based lunch ordering is just powerful enough that it can mostly remove human interaction if that's what you really want from your food.

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Date: 2013-01-09 05:19 am (UTC)
ext_392293: Portrait of BunnyHugger. (grayscale)
From: [identity profile] bunny-hugger.livejournal.com
They're very fond of automats (generically) in the Netherlands, but there are one- and two-euro coins to use.

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Date: 2013-01-09 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
I'm disappointed that it did go out of business, particularly since there's a page about having them cater events. It would make for an awesome affair to get a matrix of Automat-style doors wheeled in to wherever you were. It'd be great for a 40s or 50s theme party, of course, but just by itself would be great.

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Date: 2013-01-08 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xolo.livejournal.com
And there is actually an online component to the exhibit, although it's almost impossible to find: http://exhibitions.nypl.org/lunchhour/exhibits/show/lunchhour

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Date: 2013-01-09 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
Ah, good job. I do recognize some of the text there as being from the panels at the physical exhibition and from the program we took home for my father.

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Date: 2013-01-09 11:25 pm (UTC)
ext_392293: Portrait of BunnyHugger. (grayscale)
From: [identity profile] bunny-hugger.livejournal.com
I had the potato pastry thing last time and she steered me to the spinach one this time. Both were vegan. I ended up wishing I had gotten the potato again; I liked it better.