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And back to the office, though I haven't been. There was someone new in the office when I did visit early this month. He's a graphic artist sort who even has his own MacBook Pro sitting on his desk, there on the first floor, with which to check out Facebook and occasionally do something (which everyone else on the first floor does too; as I'm not on Facebook I limit myself to Usenet and such).

In principle, I support this idea. Too many companies treat the visual appearance of things as a footnote, particularly if, like the one I work for, their products are all designed for non-public customers. Getting away from the graphic design of ``we typed the company name in a weird typeface and added a drop shadow'', its current look for everything, is well worth doing, particularly as we move from custom-built software into web-based data access, and it's worth getting a person who actually knows this stuff instead of shoving it on the guy who happens to own a Mac. However, in practice, I'm not sure there's enough to do to hire a new permanent graphic artist hire --- I'd think a temporary assignment enough --- and I had entertained thoughts of coaxing him to tossing money at one of my drawing-skilled friends to do it, but I postponed that in the effort to get him to hire an office manager, which also hasn't panned out yet.

Also I had some trouble in the design for the logo for my particular project. He'd come up with one that, to me, evoked the look of ``brand new mid-90s roller coaster sign'', and admitted such. He asked for guidance. I asked what typeface he thought would make the project name look most interesting, and he was stumped, as I was, since the most potentially interesting letter in the project name is ``G''. Go ahead, think of all the interesting letters ``G'' you've seen in any typeface. ``W'' or ``R'', sure (Bodoni is the correct answer, there), but an interesting ``G''? There's barely such a thing.

So I thought to go to reflected glory. My project is rather map-oriented, so I asked him, ``What typeface does National Geographic use for its maps?'' My thought was, that typeface will have suggestions of credibility and stability behind it, and we could rip off lean on that. He didn't know offhand --- neither did I --- but his attempts to search for examples of National Geographic maps were a fiasco. I'm not sure he got my concept, that is, look for the scanned image of some map that National Geographic, the magazine, not the TV channel nor the web site, uses, and see what it uses for either the title or the key features.

After a lot of my telling him in different ways to think about the fold-out maps from the magazine and to look for that, he let me at his Mac to search myself. Here I discovered that he set the trackpad so a click on it defaults to a control-click (right-click, in Windows terms), for reasons best known to himself. Bluh?

So far that's been our only important interaction, and I'm curious what he makes of the guy who popped in for four workdays and insisted that he look up something called ``Friz Quadrata'' which he didn't seem to recognize.

Trivia: In preparation for the invasion of the Spanish Armada in 1588, the London ward of Bridge Within (north of the gates on the Bridge) was required to provide 383 men, including 115 with shot or firearms, 92 with garments to support pikes, 31 with bows, and 61 with pikes. Source: Old London Bridge: The Story Of The Longest Inhabited Bridge In Europe, Patricia Pierce.

Currently Reading: Winning The Peace: The Marshall Plan and America's Coming Of Age As A Superpower, Nicolaus Mills. (My copy comes with a two-page press release from Wiley about what an outstandingly excellent book it is. It's a pleasant read but I don't think up to the high praise.)

Maybe I say ``Friz Quadrata'' weird.

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Date: 2012-08-30 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mondhasen.livejournal.com
Hopefully he was just having a bad adjustment.

We (a former company where I worked) hired a Quality Assurance Engineer to take over with the statistical end of the department (the rest of us were little more than paper chasers and policemen), and also to manage our newsletter. The two of us who had been doing said newsletter, and running the numbers, tried to help this employee, but found his Aura of Knowing impenetrable and we let him go off on his own. The managing element soon found they had erred, particularly when the first newsletter he produced was so, so bad* that after paying the Printer they fired the man.

*Really bad, like a preliminary rough draft, complete with circles and arrows having been printed bad. The Printer had called twice and made the man sign off the work before going to press as well.

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Date: 2012-08-30 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
I'm very willing to assume he just interacted poorly with me. I'm (alas) not a very clear speaker aloud, particularly around strangers, and I had only seen him in passing while on my way to something else so I had started from the attitude of ``I want to think about this later'' and I wouldn't be surprised if that locked us into a less-than-useful mode.

Ah, now, newsletters ... back in my college days my father arranged for me to do the (monthly) newsletter for the chemical plant at which he worked. But the person whose computer we had to use --- it was the only one at the plant which had PageMaker --- thought there was something vaguely illicit about this kid doing the newsletter work and so he wouldn't let me stay past 5 pm to work on it, which since I was able to get to the plant only by 4:15 left me without a lot of time to work.

So, I took the materials and did it on the college newspaper's computers and whipped out some stuff. I admit putting all the somewhat cheap attention-getting stunts I could into it, including for the front page taking the first letter of the first word (mercifully, an 'I'; I couldn't have got away with it if it were an 'M') and making it (no exaggeration) four inches high, the rest of the first word an inch high, and then pouring into the normal text. Nobody at the plant had ever imagined something that visually striking before. My father was quite proud, too.

Alas, the newsletter had only a couple issues left in its life and it never did turn into an income-generating prospect, but I at least made one short-lived in-house chemical plant newsletter something you could spot from across the room.

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Date: 2012-08-30 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mondhasen.livejournal.com
"cheap, attention-getting stunts"

I think our local rag used a 4" high bold block-letter headline when Patty Hearst was apprehended :D

Edit: I can recall that because most of the staff of the campus paper resided in my fraternity, and they pretty much called it cheap and attention-getting, as well as 'sensationalism.'

We had a copy of Aldus PageMaker 1.0 at work which we were forbidden to use: we were given access to some archaic program that actually could only be loaded on three pc's and would then the floppies became useless. This program was terrible, and any minor correction changed the entire layout, including the placement of photos, so that a missed comma could lead to hours or rework.

I told this to our printer and he laughed. He said "save it in ASCII, give me a rough layout, and you'll have a proof tomorrow." *snicker* When you want a professional job you go to a professional.
Edited Date: 2012-08-30 07:42 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-08-30 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
Springboard Newsroom? That is the software we used on the Apple II's in middle school, and it seemed really quite satisfactory until such time as I got into high school and learned anything else was available. (Although Newsroom was a big step up. I did actual typing on a typewriter and cutting-and-pasting with scissors and rubber cement before that.)

I may overstate in calling my tricks cheap, since they amounted to things like drop shadows and pulling out blurbs from longer articles so there'd be some breaking up of blocks of grey. Mostly, I put whitespace in, which they'd never imagined, but it really stood out for that.

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Date: 2012-08-30 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mondhasen.livejournal.com
No, this was for an old IBM system, and I can't recall the name. Our Production Control Department purchased it, and sent it to us when they tired of it ;o)

Drop shadows were quite catchy in their day.

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Date: 2012-08-31 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
I admit to being rather delighted that CSS 3 supports all kinds of nice, easy-to-implement shadow tricks (including features like halos). Unfortunately it's going to be another eight years until I can expect people to have a web browser which supports CSS 3.

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Date: 2012-08-30 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chefmongoose.livejournal.com
Interesting 'G' in a font? Helvetica (Yes, I know.). Gotham Bold (Yes, I know, I *know*.) Bank Gothic. About half the bold Slab Serifs out there.

Friz Quadrata? Huh. Mmmmmmaybe. It's very distinctive, but..

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Date: 2012-08-30 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
There's just not a lot to be done with the name of the project (I'll share it with you in a less Google-indexable medium, and you'll agree). The G may be all right in Helvetica or Gotham Bold or Bank Gothic, but the rest of the letter set used in the project name (oh why oh why could we not have one ``W''?) just curls up and dies in all of them.

I do honestly think Friz Quadrata or something in the Garamonds the best chance.

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Date: 2012-08-30 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xolo.livejournal.com
You should use 'Equestria', the My Little Pony font!

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Date: 2012-08-30 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
We might honestly be better off foregoing typefaces altogether and treating the characters as art, but that does add an irritating extra step when we have to come up with a logo for a previously unimagined purpose. Typing and Select All and picking the right typeface is a lot more foolproof.

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Date: 2012-08-30 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xolo.livejournal.com
http://www.fontriver.com/font/equestria/

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Date: 2012-08-30 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
With that ``G''?

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